Video Critique: Lisette and Manolito Submission 1
San Diego Horse Trainer Will Faerber from Art2Ride discusses the video sent in by Lisette and gives suggestions for further improvement.
8 responses to “Video Critique: Lisette and Manolito Submission 1”
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Keith Bartlam says: This rider appears to be riding in a Chambon. I sometimes do this as well, but have always been told it is dangerous to do so! What are your views about this??? I have one remedial horse that I lunge in the Chambon, but the moment he feels the slightest pressure on the poll when the clips are attached to to bit rings, he Rears up and shoots back. I do this in the school knowing this will happen and ignore it and send him on forwards, which resolves the problem….until the next day when we go through the same thing all over again! What are your comments on this please to stop it happening each time. He always rears when he doesnt like something!!. The ropes are at their longest too!
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Kali says:
Hi, yes you can ride in a chambon but it must not be so tight as to hold the horse’s head down below the level of the withers and only only after the horse has been used to it on the lunge. If the horse has any tendency to pull back or to panic when confined do not try to ride in the chambon. In fact I would go on the say, if the horse really reacts badly to any tension on the reins or of with the chambon, it probably isn’t ready to be ridden anyway. I never start mounted work of any real consequence until the horse is working over its back on the lunge and is completely relax in the work.
Keep doing what you are doing every day until the horse accepts the work without tension on the lunge before you go on to mounted work and when you do, I would not ride in the chambon with this horse until you are very sure he is over all that. Be sure and reward the horse with a piece of sugar or whatever he likes every time he settles into the work and as you are attaching the chambon. A spoon full of sugar as the song goes! -
Thank you for this comment. I was wondering about riding with the Chambon too. Now that I have some guidance I think I can try it. I think it would help my mare become more consistent between riding and lounging.
Wendy
Anne says: I have been watching your video submissions and really appreciate the helpful informative commentary. I just adopted a 6 year old OTTB, and am wondering what the first step should be. His back is not developed at all, so I ally have to start at the beginning. I have been Riding him for about two months, but am seeing through your videos I need to go back to square one. Should I be just walk in on a loose rein until I see that low head carriage indicating the back stretching?
I would really appreciate your thoughts.
Anne
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Start with lunging and once you can get the horse working correctly there and stretching into the contact go back to riding. If you ride a hollow horse who’s back is too weak to lift the rider you are really just wasting your time and destroying the horse in the process.
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Okay. I really appreciate your response. I can’t remember how I stumbled onto your posts and FB page, but I love your approach and think it makes perfect sense for the wellbeing of the horse. I will touch base in a month or so.
Anne
Richmond, Ontario, Canada
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Anita says: Hi my mare has just started back to work following suspensory ligament damage, am doing in hand work , trying to get her to stretch down , but she sometimes goes above the bit and shoots off, what are your suggestions , I think this has been a prior issue before I bought her .
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Answered by Art2Ride Associate Trainers:
Chelsea MacPhail: Generally what I’ve found to be helpful is to bring them back on a small circle around you again and ask for them to yield their hindquarters away to try to re-establish the stretch. Once she gets more consistent in the stretch, which will just take time as she develops strength, you should find that she will start to relax and the shooting off should lessen. Once she’s cleared work on a lunge line the chambon may be helpful to discourage her from really hollowing her back and bringing her head up; however if you spend enough time doing the in hand work at the walk you may find that she will stretch well on the lunge line and you won’t need to use it. As always videos are helpful for clearer feedback either to Will directly or on the fans and followers page! Good luck!
Yvon Hoogervorst: Although it looks sometimes very easy: stretching is something horses must learn. Once they learned it, they love it. But you have to be patience and reward a lot. If I were you I should keep it by the walk work. You can do a lot of it and you give the ligament time to heal. When she comes over the bit and speed up, I would bring her to a smaller circle and ask for a shoulder for. Head and neck slightly to the inside, hindquarters to the outside. When she’s relaxing and stretching; make your circle bigger. When you keep having trouble with it: send in a video to A2R for feedback. Good luck.
Amber Matusek: I agree with the bringing her in on a smaller circle. Just be patient it will get better with time!
Angel Klawiter: Yeah I agree, bringing her in a smaller circle will help and just remembering to be patient that eventually it will come. Just remembering to keep outside rein contact and pushing her hindquarters away from you and softening her with the inside rein and as she learns to relax and concentrate she will eventually stop shooting off as much.
Damian Pichardo: I agree with the smaller circle also, keeping her closer. I would definitely stick with just the walk for a while. Maybe check your tack to make sure everything is fitting well and there is nothing causing her discomfort. Sounds like she is expecting some discomfort and avoiding contact due to past training. Keep up the work and she will learn to trust your hand, the avoidance issue should pass after she earns your trust. Once she learns to trust your hand she should be willing to seek your contact and not avoid it.
Tricia Yates: I too agree with bringing her in on a smaller circle, it may help with stopping her from running off, and give you a little more control. Make sure to have contact on the outside rein too. You could also try putting her in a shoulder fore on the circle.
This rider appears to be riding in a Chambon. I sometimes do this as well, but have always been told it is dangerous to do so! What are your views about this??? I have one remedial horse that I lunge in the Chambon, but the moment he feels the slightest pressure on the poll when the clips are attached to to bit rings, he Rears up and shoots back. I do this in the school knowing this will happen and ignore it and send him on forwards, which resolves the problem….until the next day when we go through the same thing all over again! What are your comments on this please to stop it happening each time. He always rears when he doesnt like something!!. The ropes are at their longest too!
Hi, yes you can ride in a chambon but it must not be so tight as to hold the horse’s head down below the level of the withers and only only after the horse has been used to it on the lunge. If the horse has any tendency to pull back or to panic when confined do not try to ride in the chambon. In fact I would go on the say, if the horse really reacts badly to any tension on the reins or of with the chambon, it probably isn’t ready to be ridden anyway. I never start mounted work of any real consequence until the horse is working over its back on the lunge and is completely relax in the work.
Keep doing what you are doing every day until the horse accepts the work without tension on the lunge before you go on to mounted work and when you do, I would not ride in the chambon with this horse until you are very sure he is over all that. Be sure and reward the horse with a piece of sugar or whatever he likes every time he settles into the work and as you are attaching the chambon. A spoon full of sugar as the song goes!
Thank you for this comment. I was wondering about riding with the Chambon too. Now that I have some guidance I think I can try it. I think it would help my mare become more consistent between riding and lounging.
Wendy
I have been watching your video submissions and really appreciate the helpful informative commentary. I just adopted a 6 year old OTTB, and am wondering what the first step should be. His back is not developed at all, so I ally have to start at the beginning. I have been Riding him for about two months, but am seeing through your videos I need to go back to square one. Should I be just walk in on a loose rein until I see that low head carriage indicating the back stretching?
I would really appreciate your thoughts.
Anne
Start with lunging and once you can get the horse working correctly there and stretching into the contact go back to riding. If you ride a hollow horse who’s back is too weak to lift the rider you are really just wasting your time and destroying the horse in the process.
Okay. I really appreciate your response. I can’t remember how I stumbled onto your posts and FB page, but I love your approach and think it makes perfect sense for the wellbeing of the horse. I will touch base in a month or so.
Anne
Richmond, Ontario, Canada
Hi my mare has just started back to work following suspensory ligament damage, am doing in hand work , trying to get her to stretch down , but she sometimes goes above the bit and shoots off, what are your suggestions , I think this has been a prior issue before I bought her .
Answered by Art2Ride Associate Trainers:
Chelsea MacPhail: Generally what I’ve found to be helpful is to bring them back on a small circle around you again and ask for them to yield their hindquarters away to try to re-establish the stretch. Once she gets more consistent in the stretch, which will just take time as she develops strength, you should find that she will start to relax and the shooting off should lessen. Once she’s cleared work on a lunge line the chambon may be helpful to discourage her from really hollowing her back and bringing her head up; however if you spend enough time doing the in hand work at the walk you may find that she will stretch well on the lunge line and you won’t need to use it. As always videos are helpful for clearer feedback either to Will directly or on the fans and followers page! Good luck!
Yvon Hoogervorst: Although it looks sometimes very easy: stretching is something horses must learn. Once they learned it, they love it. But you have to be patience and reward a lot. If I were you I should keep it by the walk work. You can do a lot of it and you give the ligament time to heal. When she comes over the bit and speed up, I would bring her to a smaller circle and ask for a shoulder for. Head and neck slightly to the inside, hindquarters to the outside. When she’s relaxing and stretching; make your circle bigger. When you keep having trouble with it: send in a video to A2R for feedback. Good luck.
Amber Matusek: I agree with the bringing her in on a smaller circle. Just be patient it will get better with time!
Angel Klawiter: Yeah I agree, bringing her in a smaller circle will help and just remembering to be patient that eventually it will come. Just remembering to keep outside rein contact and pushing her hindquarters away from you and softening her with the inside rein and as she learns to relax and concentrate she will eventually stop shooting off as much.
Damian Pichardo: I agree with the smaller circle also, keeping her closer. I would definitely stick with just the walk for a while. Maybe check your tack to make sure everything is fitting well and there is nothing causing her discomfort. Sounds like she is expecting some discomfort and avoiding contact due to past training. Keep up the work and she will learn to trust your hand, the avoidance issue should pass after she earns your trust. Once she learns to trust your hand she should be willing to seek your contact and not avoid it.
Tricia Yates: I too agree with bringing her in on a smaller circle, it may help with stopping her from running off, and give you a little more control. Make sure to have contact on the outside rein too. You could also try putting her in a shoulder fore on the circle.